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Rose-Helene Spreiregen, age 3, with her mother (left).

Picture courtesy of: Rose-Helene Spreiregen | USHMM

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‘I have an obligation, to speak for them’: My conversation with a Holocaust survivor

17-year-old Alia Saphier interviews Rose-Helene Spreiregen about her past, and antisemitism today

Growing up in the US as the granddaughter of a Holocaust survivor, it was hard to reconcile my Jewish identity with the lack of emphasis I felt was placed on the Holocaust. I didn’t see any remnants of the Holocaust, nor did I learn the history as thoroughly as countries that experienced the atrocities first-hand. As a kid, I didn’t really recognise the presence of antisemitism in my day-to-day life either.

But since the Hamas attack on Israel on 7 October 2023, antisemitism has been increasing at an alarming rate, especially in the United States. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has reported that younger Americans are more likely to believe anti-Jewish tropes, with millennials being the most likely, closely followed by Gen Z.

What is striking about this data is that the older generations, the oldest studied generation being baby boomers, were less likely to believe in the same antisemitic tropes that younger generations often fall prey to.

As survivors and direct memories of the Holocaust become more distant, our world will change. I reached out to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum with a request for an interview to discuss the necessity of preserving Holocaust memory in today’s world.

Rose-Helene Spreiregen is a 93-year-old Holocaust survivor who was born in Paris and has lived in Washington, DC since 1961. She currently volunteers at the museum and can be found at the Survivors Desk. Her journey to survival inspires visitors, and all who read about her online. I was very honoured to talk to Rose-Helene about her experiences and perspective on the modern day.

Born in 1931, she was raised by her mother Rivka and her grandmother Sarah, both of whom emigrated to France from Poland. Her first memories of hearing about the Nazi rise to power are from visits home from boarding school, when she overheard her mother’s conversations. She moved back home shortly before the German invasion of Poland on 1 September 1939.

Out of fear of German attacks, Rose-Helene, alongside young and old members of the Jewish community in Paris, evacuated to the country. After the German invasion of France in May 1940, many others followed suit, including her mother. But, injured upon her arrival, her mother returned to Paris, taking Rose-Helene with her.

Living in Nazi-occupied northern France, the family witnessed the beginning of the Jewish deportations from France to occupied Poland, where the Jews were either placed into forced labour camps or murdered. In danger of being arrested when in public, it became unsafe for Rose-Helene to attend school. She evaded arrest, but her mother was arrested and deported.

Rose-Helene moved into her mother’s empty apartment under the care of her grandmother. She had to assume most adult responsibilities as her grandmother feared arrest and rarely ventured outside. Their neighbours helped them avoid routine round-ups, and because they were living in the apartment of her mother who had already been deported, they were able to survive for some time. However, upon hearing of another round-up, Sarah was eager to flee Paris with forged identification papers.

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  • Rose-Helene's grandmother (L) and mother in Warsaw, Poland, before immigrating to Paris in the 1920s

    Picture courtesy of: Rose-Helene Spreiregen | USHMM

  • Rose-Helene recounts the story of her escape powerfully. Aged 12, she and her grandmother fled on an overnight train to the unoccupied south of France. Recognizing the danger of having her Polish-Jewish grandmother give away their cover through her broken French, she told her to pretend to sleep. This way, Rose-Helene, fluent in French, could speak to the French and German officials checking their papers. She said to the Holocaust Memorial Museum, “I was shaking for hours… this could have been the end of us.”

    The Allies liberated Voiron, where the two were living, in August 1944. They returned to Paris in November. Sarah found her apartment looted and rented to other people. At the age of 16, Rose-Helene lived alone in her mother’s apartment, hoping for her mother’s return. But she never saw her again, ultimately finding out that she had most likely been murdered at the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp.

    Rose-Helene re-enrolled in school, graduated and got a job in banking. In 1961, she married an American and moved to the US.

    [Anti-semitism] is, to me, very scary, because it doesn’t stop with words. And this is what actually happened when Hitler came to power in 1933

    Rose-Helene Spreiregen, 93-year-old Holocaust survivor

    During our conversation, Rose-Helene’s perspective on the rise of antisemitism she sees occurring today is crucial. She said, “It was not OK as it is now to be an antisemite. And many antisemites now don’t feel that they should be in their closet. They just come out and say so.”

    “This is, to me, very scary, because it doesn’t stop with words. And this is what actually happened when Hitler came to power in 1933. It reminds me very much of what happened during the Holocaust, because it’s like it’s all happening again.”

    According to the ADL, there have been more than 10,000 antisemitic incidents in the US between 7 October 2023 and 24 September 2024 – a 200% increase on the previous year. Before the Hamas attack on Israel, around 3,325 antisemitic incidents were tracked.

    Holocaust denial is one form that antisemitism takes. Whether intentional or not, ignorance of the genocide perpetrates falsehoods about Jewish history. Some who actively ignore the events of Holocaust even believe that the atrocities were exaggerated to advance the Jewish people. Both active and unintentional forgetting lead to the confusing and misunderstanding of history and the truth.

    When discussing how she witnesses the growing antisemitic sentiment in the US, Rose-Helene says: “The political system is scary to me, because depending who is in charge, antisemitism is more overt, and it’s more accepted – not acceptable, but more accepted… Having seen it, having seen what it does… I thought I had seen it all – that it was never going to happen again – but it seems to be getting very bad.”

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    The prevalence of denial speaks volumes about our education system. A Claims Conference surveyfrom 2020 found that 23% of Americans aged under 40 believe the Holocaust is a myth or exaggerated, while 12% said they never heard of it.

    Claims Conference also found what they describeas critical gaps in knowledge: “63% of US millennials and Gen Z do not know that six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust and just over one-third (36%) of US millennials and Gen Z believe two million Jews or fewer were killed during the Holocaust.”

    That is why education is key to combating misinformation and lack of understanding. However, with the deaths of survivors, we face an unprecedented time where our knowledge about this historic event will no longer be able to come from first-hand accounts, making it increasingly difficult to educate people about the Holocaust.

    On this topic, Rose-Helene said to me: “It’s one thing to know what happened during the war, but it’s something else to see the person who was there, who can tell you about it, and you can ask questions. Obviously, if you read a book or if you see a film, you can’t ask questions, and it’s much more abstract.”

    While there is a lot of uncertainty that comes with the passing away of survivors and the temporal distance between the events of the Holocaust and the present, there is a lot we can do as individuals. Rose-Helene has some advice: “What the average person can do is, if you see something wrong, speak up, you absolutely have to speak up. Every person can make a difference and not to be indifferent, not to be ignorant. I think this is the worst.

    “After the war, most of my family had perished: My mother, my uncles, my aunts, my cousins, and there were four of us left… So I feel that I have an obligation, to speak for them, for all the people who were murdered, and whose life was taken for no good reason.… It is, I think, my duty.”

    As I admire Rose-Helene’s strength and resilience in sharing her story, I cannot help but think that educating myself and others on the Holocaust is now my duty, as a young Jewish woman and the granddaughter of a Holocaust survivor.

    It is such a rare privilege to talk to someone like Rose-Helene. While we still have the unique opportunity to discuss face-to-face with the survivors, it is necessary to talk to them about their lives and use the lessons they can teach us. Once they are all gone, though, it is up to us.

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    Alia Saphier

    Publisher 2024

    New Jersey, United States

    Alia Lael Brühl Saphier was born in 2006 and currently studies in Englewood, New Jersey.  She joined Harbingers’ Magazine in 2023 as a contributor and social media manager. In 2024, she became the publisher.

    Alia attends the Manhattan School of Music precollege for classical voice and is an editor for her school’s foreign language magazine. In her free time, she plays the violin, guitar, and ukulele. Her wider interests also include songwriting, reading, traveling, acting, and creative writing.

    Alia speaks English, German, and Spanish.

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    Justin Sau

    Culture Section Editor 2024

    Hong Kong, SAR

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